Super Microsizers finally out.

SuperFly · Post by **SuperFly** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 6:28 pm

I wonder if the Microsizer version has the same problems I've read about the Super Bits having, which is why I don't own one yet.

crazydave · Post by **crazydave** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 6:36 pm

I ws just assuming they did, and that's why I was hoping the reception was better.

hogjowlz · Post by **hogjowlz** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 6:49 pm

hmm ive always found the opposite.
tomy range = acceptable
hobbico range = shitty

SuperFly · Post by **SuperFly** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 7:11 pm

I'm talking about the 'problem' specific to Super bit char-Gs that had to do with range and stuttering and all-on acceleration at the end of range.

Post by **CaboWabo** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 8:01 pm

lets clarify this "super bit" tomy issue...

please post your exact findings.

so far, for me.

yes, I do see how when the battery loses charge, the last command sticks.
yes, I do see how this is considerably faster (stock) than the previous stock tomy chassis (stock).
yes, I do see the extra buttons that do nothing.
yes, I did have it mosfet'ed by crazydave.
yes, it is in my top 2 favorite cars.
yes, I did chop up the lambo body and mod it and that's what helps make it in to my top 2.
no, I don't see the "worries" with the car other than the last command sticking when charge is over.

I mean - you're other cars would do the same, but they just don't retain memory, which in itself says they're inferior. no matter the usability issue.

I like super bits, granted I don't have as many as I do stock bits chassis (modded) but who fucking cares? I've also got a zip (worth a shit) and 2 SE's (barely worth a shit, propo is the only thing saving them), and then the rest.

still to this day, my favorites are 2 bits.

frequency dependability rely's too heavily on area and other frequencies close by to make a valid issue.

if I run a car right next to or near my dishwasher while it's running, I'll get a stutter on any car, at least.
if it's off and I'm not that close too it or under it, I won't.... with any car, at least.

so how's any of that a valid testimate of how range works per car?
there's only 1 true way of semi-validating the range per freq., per chassis, per environment, per whatever else you wanna add there.
and so far nobody has done that - so basically we're all making assumptions out of our own personal experiences.

which isn't a valid test in the least.

crazydave · Post by **crazydave** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 9:52 pm

Hey cabo, hate to contradict you, but a couple things.

yes, I did have it mosfet'ed by crazydave.

Sorry, you must have got confused, I've never FET'd any Super Bit, but they are almost like a FETed car out of the package.

I mean - you're other cars would do the same, but they just don't retain memory, which in itself says they're inferior. no matter the usability issue.

Sorry sir, but I disagree. In 1/10th scale, cars with mechanical speed controls will stay in position when you lose range, but electronic speed controls fix that problem, and shut down when out of range. Trust me that's a bonus. I chased my Stampede for a 1/4 mile one time, losing ground the whole way. I thought for shure it was going into the road to get run over, but I got lucky. So for me memory rentention=bad.

When my reception is ok, then I think the rentention might mask some tiny glitches, but sometimes the reception is so bad in my cars I have to have the controller just inches away, and it still glitches.

If the reception was better I wouldn't mind the memory retention so much, but either way, I consider the memory retention crap.

Otherwise I agreed with most everything else you said.

Post by **CaboWabo** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 11:50 pm

crazydave wrote:Hey cabo, hate to contradict you, but a couple things.

yes, I did have it mosfet'ed by crazydave.
Sorry, you must have got confused, I've never FET'd any Super Bit, but they are almost like a FETed car out of the package.

I mean - you're other cars would do the same, but they just don't retain memory, which in itself says they're inferior. no matter the usability issue.
Sorry sir, but I disagree. In 1/10th scale, cars with mechanical speed controls will stay in position when you lose range, but electronic speed controls fix that problem, and shut down when out of range. Trust me that's a bonus. I chased my Stampede for a 1/4 mile one time, losing ground the whole way. I thought for shure it was going into the road to get run over, but I got lucky. So for me memory rentention=bad.

When my reception is ok, then I think the rentention might mask some tiny glitches, but sometimes the reception is so bad in my cars I have to have the controller just inches away, and it still glitches.

If the reception was better I wouldn't mind the memory retention so much, but either way, I consider the memory retention crap.

Otherwise I agreed with most everything else you said.

hey believe me, I don't mind the contradictions or criticisms, maybe I'm wrong - maybe not, but that's how we all learn...
but allow me to add my own if you will. (defend my statements)

first off:

Sorry, you must have got confused, I've never FET'd any Super Bit

yes - you're right, I did get confused, you never have fet'ed a super bit.

and I'll have to contradict you a tad on your comment:

but are almost like a FETed car out of the package

since I own one, I feel fully qualified to say, I dis-agree.
I've owned fet'ed cars from everyone that does em for sale (at least here) except microAmps... so I feel I'm an at least an alright judge of fet'ed cars too.
and I still fully dis-agree.
there's absolutely no comparison.
the same motor (vanquish) for instance in my fet'ed bettle truck (that you did FET for sure) does not perform as well in my super bit. period.

2nd of all - you don't need to tell me about larger scale.
I grew up there and moved down to smaller scale. I know what they do and why. I too have seen many GAS (and the little electric bullshit) running down a road almost causing car crashes and did cause a broken ankle. (I've heard other horror stories).

besides, how can you start to compare different scales? I mean the propo from an SE isn't like the propo from 1/10th scale. you're comparing apples to oranges or civics to military hummers.

so to finish off your 2nd paragraph - re-read the part of the post of mine you quoted:

I mean - you're other cars would do the same, but they just don't retain memory, which in itself says they're inferior. no matter the usability issue.

now think about that CD...
"usability issue"
that alread says "memory retention-bad", at least in my head.
so in essence you're not saying anything I already didn't say, again, at least in my head.

why do you think you have that memory from 1/10th scale?
because it had to start somewhere. with things that maybe weren't "perfect" or even "desirable". you remember the "beginnings" or "bad" to "now" or "better".
you remember the evolution of 1/10th scale till now or when ever...
how do you think bits started? and how do you think they grow?
same way dude, and you'll have that same type of memory, just at a different scale.
as with just about anything in R/C hobby, they evolve from trial and error.
and believe me... I know, my old room-mate and friend for over 10 years has worked and will soon own the hobby store he's worked at ever since I've met him. I'll trust his knowledge any day over many others because he has the proof in the pudding, unlike some others.

now for your "glitches".
I get them too.
you obviously know that where you run the and interfierence play a part.
let's take another one of my quotes:

if I run a car right next to or near my dishwasher while it's running, I'll get a stutter on any car, at least.
if it's off and I'm not that close too it or under it, I won't.... with any car, at least.

I can't see anyone debating that fact of interfierence whether it happens at a dishwasher or outside in a dirt pit. I know it's true all over, that's just how radio frequencies work - blame science and radio waves.

and I'll reference my statement above to your 2nd to last comment about "memory retention = crap".

I couldn't agree more.

see - we do agree with just about all of that post.

crazydave · Post by **crazydave** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 1:37 am

Oh, ok, I misinterpreted what you meant by, "you're other cars would do the same, but they just don't retain memory, which in itself says they're inferior." I interpreted that as saying the old cars are inferior to the Super Bits.

...and I agree a Super Bit is not like a FET modded car, that's why I threw in the "almost", I was just trying give you an excuse for being confused.

Really a Super Bit is almost exactly the same as when I only do half a FET mod.

I knew you had 1/10th scale cars, so being that I misinterpreted what you were saying I was confused as to why you'd prefer an out of control car. The only reason I brought up 1/10th scale, is because when we first had this discussion when Super Bits first came out, someone had made a comment about how larger scale cars keep going, so I guess I still had that in the back of my head.

Post by **CaboWabo** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 8:18 am

I hear ya man - excuse my retardedness lol

crazydave · Post by **crazydave** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 9:14 am

CaboWabo wrote:I hear ya man - excuse my retardedness lol

You're excused, I think stress is making us all a little confused lately.

mikirgra · Post by **mikirgra** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 11:31 am

The cars Tomy and Hobbico cars SHOULD be identical in terms of quality. However, in my experience, my Tomy BCG bodies (a dozen or so) are finished better than the Microsizer bodies I have (app.

. Go figure. And of course the SBCG bodies blow them alll away.

I haven't noticed any difference as far as range, but I don't I've never really tested that. Hmm...maybe I'll do that this weekend.

Hey, one cool thing about the coming MS sets is that they appear to be in 27ABC & 49ABC. Add that to the Tomy 40ABC, and you could potentially race 9 SBCG's at once! Cool.

Sdog · Post by **Sdog** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 5:53 pm

SuperFly wrote:I bet they're not as cool as a hand-cranked Evil Knievel Stunt Bike with an Action Van

Oh shit....I used to have one of those back in the 70's. Wish I still had that. Where did you find that Superfly?

hue35 · Post by **hue35** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 6:58 pm

Sdog wrote:Oh shit....I used to have one of those back in the 70's. Wish I still had that. Where did you find that Superfly?

I've still got mine AND the scramble van.

crazydave · Post by **crazydave** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 7:04 pm

hue35 wrote:
Sdog wrote:Oh shit....I used to have one of those back in the 70's. Wish I still had that. Where did you find that Superfly?
I've still got mine AND the scramble van.

Hey umm, Hue, wanna come over and hang out some time? ...and umm, bring that there Evil Knievel bike.

Me and my buddies used to have contest to see who could crank it up the fastest and send it the farthest down the block. The poor Evil Knievel guy hanging on for his little plastic life.

We did that for hours and hours, for like a month straight. I wonder what ever happened to that guy?

Sdog · Post by **Sdog** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 7:52 am

Yeah....I wonder what happened to mine too...and my GI Joe with the kung fu grip....and my Godzilla with the launching fist, plastic fire that came out of his mouth, and wheels on his feet so you could roll him around. I think my mom sold the shit if I remember correctly. Growing up poor in the city sucked.

I'm wishing I still had a lot of those toys...that Evl K. stuff is definitely a collectors item Hue.