RC Butler is full of $#@^&*(@

Sdog · Post by **Sdog** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 12:58 pm

Chill dude....I got a brew for ya in my basement fridge.....and a nice length of parking lot for one of your xmods.

The next step is to contact Ebay.

Look at it this way....you now have a license to make life hard for that dick, and it only cost you 33 bones. Just keep your cool and be smart about it....and have some fun with it.

viperdout · Post by **viperdout** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 2:41 pm

sg219 wrote:This is BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!

______________________________

Dear Mike Smalley,

After careful review, we have concluded our investigation into the Buyer
Complaint described below.

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Complaint Details
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Transaction Date: Jan 16, 2005
Transaction Amount: -$33.00 USD
Case Number: PP-068-186-268
Seller's Name: Brian Dudley
Seller's Email: wherebsara@yahoo.com

We have determined that the seller is at fault in this matter but regret to
inform you that we were unable to recover any funds from the seller's
account. As stated in the PayPal User Agreement, recovery of funds
associated with a Buyer Complaint cannot be guaranteed.

If this transaction took place on eBay and the amount you are owed is more
than $25.00 USD, we encourage you to contact eBay to determine if you
qualify for partial reimbursement under eBay's Standard Purchase Protection
Program. If this transaction took place on another auction site, we
encourage you to contact that site to see if they offer insurance or
dispute resolution.

Thank you for your cooperation and we apologize for any inconvenience this
situation may have caused. Please know that we will make our best effort to
recover the funds in question if they become available in the seller's
account in the future. Please also be assured that we will take appropriate
action against the seller. Such action may include issuing a warning, a
temporary restriction, or terminating the account. Keep in mind that PayPal
uses a number of factors to determine when to take action, including member
complaints. Due to privacy laws, we cannot discuss the details of any
action taken. We hope you understand our policy and that it assures you
that you are safe using PayPal.

To ensure that future transactions proceed smoothly, we recommend that you
review these Security Tips:

We appreciate your business, and regret this experience.

To make sure future transactions proceed smoothly, we suggest reading these
Security Tips:

http://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr ... rs-outside

Sincerely,

Protection Services Department

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Thats directly fromn PayPal!!!!

What it leaves me is a BIG FUCK YOU from PayPal and nothing else!!! Why use PayPal for anything then if they can't deal ith the public?

I have had MANY transactions with the general public that have gone FINE!!!!!

PLEASE, anyone that might be dealing with RC Butler, PLEASE DON'T DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sOOOOOOOOOO Pissed off right now, I could have been.....................

That's the most canned reply I've ever seen! It amounts to a "You lost your money, but we don't give a shit. Take your problem and shove it." If the email reply said something like that, I'd be less pissed than if they wrote that page or two of utter bullshit. My blood is boiling!

arfin · Post by **arfin** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 5:47 pm

WOW i seriously thought paypal would do something about this, its true if they can't do anything then their security is bs. I don't get it, are they saying people can fraud, and complaints aren't good enought? What is! If only paypal wasn't so easy to use.

crazydave · Post by **crazydave** » Thu May 19, 2005 8:27 am

I think all that Paypal is saying is that they are not holding money as the seller specified, and he apparently cleaned out his Paypal account. So there is no money for them to get back. I think we should all feel a little safer knowing that paypal is not going to yank money directly from your bank account if a situation should occur.

Really, this has nothing to do with paypal, because if you sent a money order, you'd be in the same boat, he would have taken your money and lied to you, and you're only left with proof that he took your money.

And this was months ago, and micromatch just purchased something off him? That is not right. You really should have contacted ebay, and pursued this to the furthest extent, this guy should not still be out there ripping people off. I'm very disappointed.

backdrift · Post by **backdrift** » Thu May 19, 2005 3:39 pm

crazydave wrote:I think all that Paypal is saying is that they are not holding money as the seller specified, and he apparently cleaned out his Paypal account. So there is no money for them to get back. I think we should all feel a little safer knowing that paypal is not going to yank money directly from your bank account if a situation should occur.

Nope.. Someone stole over 900 from my paypal account, and paypal decided to take the money from my bank account.. Needless to say we are taking them to court for fraud, they took 200 extra from my account, and non verified use of my bank account.. Ill keep ya tuned in.

Post by **CaboWabo** » Thu May 19, 2005 3:46 pm

backdrift wrote:Nope.. Someone stole over 900 from my paypal account, and paypal decided to take the money from my bank account.. Needless to say we are taking them to court for fraud, they took 200 extra from my account, and non verified use of my bank account.. Ill keep ya tuned in.

Please do keep us updated, I'm interested to hear how this turns out, what went wrong, and what PayPal is willing to do to help their customers.
I'm assuming this is the same problem you PM'ed me about awhile ago.

crazydave · Post by **crazydave** » Thu May 19, 2005 8:29 pm

backdrift wrote:
crazydave wrote:I think all that Paypal is saying is that they are not holding money as the seller specified, and he apparently cleaned out his Paypal account. So there is no money for them to get back. I think we should all feel a little safer knowing that paypal is not going to yank money directly from your bank account if a situation should occur.
Nope.. Someone stole over 900 from my paypal account, and paypal decided to take the money from my bank account.. Needless to say we are taking them to court for fraud, they took 200 extra from my account, and non verified use of my bank account.. Ill keep ya tuned in.

Well that sucks, but that sounds like a different circumstance. If I make a payment over what's in my PayPal account I've authorized them to take the remainder from my bank account. Even though the money was stolen, it still looked like a transfer from paypal's point of view, so it was handled like any other money transfer, and the remainder came out of your bank account. Someone would have had to gain access to your account infomation. You didn't open up any emails supposedly from Paypal did you? I almost fell for one of those, they're really tricky. It'll even say www.paypal.com in your address bar, but it's not the real paypal site. You have to completely close the window after opening one of those emails.

Anyways, theft can occur even with your debit card, that's nothing against Paypal really. This is a different circumstance, because paypal would be refunding SGs money, which is something I doubt this RCbutler guy would agree to willingly.

ph2t · Post by **ph2t** » Thu May 19, 2005 8:43 pm

There is a non disclosed option in paypal to get your funds transferred nightly out of your paypal account into your bank account. You need to ask them to turn it on.

This whole situation sucks. Sorry to hear that shit happening sg.

ph2t.

sg219 · Post by **sg219** » Thu May 19, 2005 9:39 pm

Ya, it sucks. (BTW... Half of the cash was Bird's.)

I still can't get ahold of anyone that will do something about it. Paypal is a stonewall, the vendor (RCAhole) won't respond to email, phone, or written letter.

backdrift · Post by **backdrift** » Fri May 20, 2005 3:10 pm

Ehm, well we are still taking them to court.. They refuse to replace the money, and we plan on taking them to court for quite a bit

Oh and cabo, yes that problem... I just wanted to have my complete history of all websites browsed, etc. And i have that hard drive, because they want to say it was fraud commited by me, and so i need to bring the hard drive with me.. They will have some nerd decript it and tell them that im innocent, so what do you think i shall sue for? 4k? 40k? 400k? Lol.. My lawyer says hes done a fraud case for 2 mill ( someone sued a company for 2 mill ) and won to.. So

viperdout · Post by **viperdout** » Fri May 20, 2005 3:31 pm

backdrift wrote:Ehm, well we are still taking them to court.. They refuse to replace the money, and we plan on taking them to court for quite a bit

Oh and cabo, yes that problem... I just wanted to have my complete history of all websites browsed, etc. And i have that hard drive, because they want to say it was fraud commited by me, and so i need to bring the hard drive with me.. They will have some nerd decript it and tell them that im innocent, so what do you think i shall sue for? 4k? 40k? 400k? Lol.. My lawyer says hes done a fraud case for 2 mill ( someone sued a company for 2 mill ) and won to.. So

Don't get greedy, and don't talk about it anymore. In fact, I'd suggest deleteing this post, because if the nerd you are talking about sees this, it could be counted as slander, turning the whole case against you.