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I ordered a green and a red upper rear CF deck from RC Butler (a.k.a. wherebsara on Ebay) on Jan. 16th, its now Feb. 24th and I still haven't received them.

I have sent 2 emails and contacted PayPal and neither have returned a message.

Until today, but it was a mass mailing to alot of people that are affected I guess.

Anyone here get screwed too?

One addy on the list seems familiar for some reason.

This is the message I recieved.....



Dear Valued Customer,



We recently ran into a major problem with PayPal. We did everything they asked in the time alloted to correct this problem and they elected to close our account anyway. What this means is that RC Butler’s Custom Race Products never received, nor will ever receive your payment. Your payment is sitting in PayPal’s account. OUR GOAL MOVING FORWARD IS TO SHIP YOUR PRODUCT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. If you would prefer to receive a refund you will have to contact PayPal directly.



We sincerely apologize and understand your frustration. We thank you for your patience to this point and ask that you hang in with us a little while longer.



Sincerely,



RC Butler’s Custom Race Products


All I have to say is that its fucked up that the customers weren't contacted alot earlier, by either the vendor or at least by PayPal.

Bullshit.

Now I have to do all kinds of work to get my cash back. Not only am I out my $33.00 for the two CF decks, I'm out the intrest I would have earned from my PayPal account. I hope that Jackass RC Butler didn't earn any intrest from peoples money!!


LOW LIFE SCUM SUCKER!!!


I hope no one else is caught up in this. If so, please stay ontop of this situation and give this ass a real kick in the balls!!!

Ah.. The age old problem.. I ordered a wire upgrade from them, yes a simple as shit wire upgrade. Took 4 mutha fucking weeks to arrive, then half of the shit wasnt even there. Fuck RCButlers.. I know other people that have been ripped off by them also.

-BD

So... they siad they're going to still send that shit, right?

I want my motherfuckin' red deck.

Ok, either I'm lucky, or these guys like me for some reason. I have never had problems with RCButlers. I will say that they are slow on shipping, but I've always got the product I paid for.
I got the same e-mail as SG, so I sent a reply. Today I got a response stating that my stuff is being shipped today. Every time I've had to e-mail them, I've always got a response, so I don't know.......

Yeah, shipping for a friggen wire upgrade was 3 weeks coulda made that shit for my self, bitches.

Won a Green deck, paid by Paypal, never got it, filed a dispute. Dude left me blank negative feedback and filed a unpaid item dispute. A month goes by and suddenly he closes the dispute because January was a really busy month for him. So now, no deck and negative feedback. At least I got my money back.

Contact Ebay and forward that email to them.

Sdog wrote:Contact Ebay and forward that email to them.

I've contacted all parties that could be contacted.

Just short of contacting the Attorney General. I've done it before and I'll do it again.

I love to see companies/people suffer that don't deliver the goods that ARE PAID for in FULL!!!

This shithead will not do business again, as long as I have anything to do about it!!!

Fuck him!! Fuck his products!! Fuck his family!! Fuck his bills!! And fuck anything else I left out about this peice of fuck!!!

I'm out of 2 CF decks and $33 bills right now, plus interest in my PayPal account!!!!!!

I haven't received an email saying that they (the goods) were shipped or that PayPal will refund my cash.

At this point I really don't care about the goods, or even the cash that much. I just want him shut down for good!!!!!

The last time I dealt with this prick, I should have got him shut down for a one month plus, shipping time on something that is being auctioned and should be in stock.

If you auction an item, it should be ready for shipping, along with...if you have an item listed on your website as "In Stock", you should be able to ship it out almost immmediately.

If there is a problem with your accounting and payment system, the customer should learn of this ASAP!!!! Not over a month later.


I'm pissed!!!

Sorry for the rant.,

We must find out what he do...who he is and than he must pay for his bad life!

What is the Police doin in america...

We need someone to hack their site. I've heard of tons of people getting ripped from them. Sorry to hear SG.

I got an e-mail from Joe K (yet another pissed off customer of RCButler). He had this to say"

"TO EVERYONE ON THIS EMAIL I SUGGEST WE ALL FILE A COMPLAINT WITH OUR LOCAL AND FEDERAL AUTHORITIES. I CONTACTED PAYPAL AND HE HAS OUR MONEY. THEY CAN NOT AND WILL NOT REFUND SOMETHING THEY DO NOT HAVE!! DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE THIS COMPANY IS LOCATED. MY SON IS VERY DISAPPOINTED IN THIS WHOLE TRANSACTION. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO EMAIL ME BACK I HATE FRAUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I feel bad for everyone that has had bad transactions with RCbutler, but I can't jump on board with this. I haven't had problems with them. This sucks...

HirotoR34 wrote:I got an e-mail from Joe K. He had this to say"

"TO EVERYONE ON THIS EMAIL I SUGGEST WE ALL FILE A COMPLAINT WITH OUR LOCAL AND FEDERAL AUTHORITIES. I CONTACTED PAYPAL AND HE HAS OUR MONEY. THEY CAN NOT AND WILL NOT REFUND SOMETHING THEY DO NOT HAVE!! DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE THIS COMPANY IS LOCATED. MY SON IS VERY DISAPPOINTED IN THIS WHOLE TRANSACTION. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO EMAIL ME BACK I HATE FRAUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I feel bad for everyone that has had bad transactions with RCbutler, but I can't jump on board with this. I haven't had problems with them. This sucks...

Agreed, but the reason I had no problems with them is because I never dealt with him (SG's story is a clone of at least 25 threads I've seen). Welcome to the new XMOD SPEED!

The most unfortunate problem with subjects of fraud on ebay and such is that it can sour people to the hobby. I hate to see something that brings people like me happiness also corrupt it. If RCButler is ripping people off, I'm not one of them, but at the same time, I respect many of you serious modders out there, and would do what I could to help, but I won't lie and say that I was mistreated. But then I want to support the people and the hobby that I respect. What to do? Gotta stay neutral on this one.


That is what really sucks.......

My inbox is getting flooded with e-mails from people about this.

A while back, I requested his user info from eBay:

User ID: wherebsara
Name: Brian Dudley
Company: The Real Estate Butlers LLC.
City: San Jose
State: CA
Country: United States
Phone: (408) 268-0909

Never used it myself, but, hey, go nuts. Reverse lookup says the number is a cellphone.

This is BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!

______________________________


Dear Mike Smalley,

After careful review, we have concluded our investigation into the Buyer
Complaint described below.

------------------------------
Complaint Details
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Transaction Date: Jan 16, 2005
Transaction Amount: -$33.00 USD
Case Number: PP-068-186-268
Seller's Name: Brian Dudley
Seller's Email: wherebsara@yahoo.com


We have determined that the seller is at fault in this matter but regret to
inform you that we were unable to recover any funds from the seller's
account. As stated in the PayPal User Agreement, recovery of funds
associated with a Buyer Complaint cannot be guaranteed.

If this transaction took place on eBay and the amount you are owed is more
than $25.00 USD, we encourage you to contact eBay to determine if you
qualify for partial reimbursement under eBay's Standard Purchase Protection
Program. If this transaction took place on another auction site, we
encourage you to contact that site to see if they offer insurance or
dispute resolution.

Thank you for your cooperation and we apologize for any inconvenience this
situation may have caused. Please know that we will make our best effort to
recover the funds in question if they become available in the seller's
account in the future. Please also be assured that we will take appropriate
action against the seller. Such action may include issuing a warning, a
temporary restriction, or terminating the account. Keep in mind that PayPal
uses a number of factors to determine when to take action, including member
complaints. Due to privacy laws, we cannot discuss the details of any
action taken. We hope you understand our policy and that it assures you
that you are safe using PayPal.

To ensure that future transactions proceed smoothly, we recommend that you
review these Security Tips:

We appreciate your business, and regret this experience.

To make sure future transactions proceed smoothly, we suggest reading these
Security Tips:

http://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr ... rs-outside

Sincerely,

Protection Services Department

_____________________________________-


Thats directly fromn PayPal!!!!

What it leaves me is a BIG FUCK YOU from PayPal and nothing else!!! Why use PayPal for anything then if they can't deal ith the public?

I have had MANY transactions with the general public that have gone FINE!!!!!

PLEASE, anyone that might be dealing with RC Butler, PLEASE DON'T DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sOOOOOOOOOO Pissed off right now, I could have been.....................